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        "id": 115382,
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        "msgid": "<2116547.mo2HYodoZD@thomas>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T15:26:29",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
            "id": 685,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/685/",
            "name": "Thomas Monjalon",
            "email": "thomas@monjalon.net"
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        "content": "07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n> \n> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n> ---\n> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n\nWhy limiting the period for experimental status?\nSome API want to remain experimental longer.\n\n[...]\n>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable for some time,\n>  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the stable ABI. At this time, when\n> -promoting the symbol, maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n> -``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications.\n> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n> +``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications. This\n\nPlease start a sentence on a new line.\n\n> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n\nI don't see the need for the time estimation.",
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            "From": "Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>",
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            "Date": "Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:26:29 +0200",
            "Cc": "dev@dpdk.org, fady@mellanox.com, Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com,\n Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>, Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,\n John McNamara <john.mcnamara@intel.com>,\n Marko Kovacevic <marko.kovacevic@intel.com>,\n Harini Ramakrishnan <harini.ramakrishnan@microsoft.com>,\n Omar Cardona <ocardona@microsoft.com>,\n Pallavi Kadam <pallavi.kadam@intel.com>,\n Ranjit Menon <ranjit.menon@intel.com>, david.marchand@redhat.com,\n nhorman@tuxdriver.com, bruce.richardson@intel.com",
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            "Subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod"
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    {
        "id": 115389,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115389/",
        "msgid": "<955b01b8-faad-5c77-24ed-6a96f5c58929@ashroe.eu>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T16:35:13",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
            "id": 1310,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/1310/",
            "name": "Kinsella, Ray",
            "email": "mdr@ashroe.eu"
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        "content": "On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n>>\n>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n>> ---\n>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n> \n> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n> \n> [...]\n>>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable for some time,\n>>  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the stable ABI. At this time, when\n>> -promoting the symbol, maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n>> -``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications.\n>> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n>> +``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications. This\n> \n> Please start a sentence on a new line.\n\nACK\n\n> \n>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n> \n> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n> \n> \n\nWill reword to ...\n\n\"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"",
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        "id": 115390,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115390/",
        "msgid": "<3262308.1Tv495sWla@thomas>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T16:36:38",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
            "id": 685,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/685/",
            "name": "Thomas Monjalon",
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        "content": "07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> > 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n> >> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n> >>\n> >> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n> >> ---\n> >> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n> >>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n> >>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n> >>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n> >> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n> >> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n> > \n> > Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n> > Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n> > \n> > [...]\n> >>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable for some time,\n> >>  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the stable ABI. At this time, when\n> >> -promoting the symbol, maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n> >> -``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications.\n> >> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n> >> +``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications. This\n> > \n> > Please start a sentence on a new line.\n> \n> ACK\n> \n> > \n> >> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n> > \n> > I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n> > \n> > \n> \n> Will reword to ...\n> \n> \"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"\n\nIt is not addressing my first comment. Please see above.",
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        "date": "2020-07-07T16:37:49",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
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        "content": "On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n>> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n>>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n>>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n>>>>\n>>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n>>>> ---\n>>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n>>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n>>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n>>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n>>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n>>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n>>>\n>>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n>>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n>>>\n>>> [...]\n>>>>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable for some time,\n>>>>  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the stable ABI. At this time, when\n>>>> -promoting the symbol, maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n>>>> -``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications.\n>>>> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an alias to the\n>>>> +``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break consuming applications. This\n>>>\n>>> Please start a sentence on a new line.\n>>\n>> ACK\n>>\n>>>\n>>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n>>>\n>>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n>>>\n>>>\n>>\n>> Will reword to ...\n>>\n>> \"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"\n> \n> It is not addressing my first comment. Please see above.\n> \n\nThank you, I don't necessarily agree with the first comment :-)\nWe need to say when the alias should be dropped no?",
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        "date": "2020-07-07T16:55:33",
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        "content": "<snip>\n\n> Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental period\n> \n> \n> \n> On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> > 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n> >> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> >>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n> >>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n> >>>>\n> >>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n> >>>> ---\n> >>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n> >>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version\n> table entry\n> >>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal\n> function ``be``.\n> >>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the\n> >>>> stable ABI, to\n> >>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n> >>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n> >>>\n> >>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n> >>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\nThis is not limiting the period. This is about how long VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL should be in place for a symbol after the experimental tag is removed for the symbol.\n\n> >>>\n> >>> [...]\n> >>>>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable\n> >>>> for some time,  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the\n> >>>> stable ABI. At this time, when -promoting the symbol, maintainer\n> >>>> may choose to provide an alias to the -``experimental`` symbol version,\n> so as not to break consuming applications.\n> >>>> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an\n> >>>> +alias to the ``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break\n> >>>> +consuming applications. This\n> >>>\n> >>> Please start a sentence on a new line.\n> >>\n> >> ACK\n> >>\n> >>>\n> >>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n> >>>\n> >>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\nI prefer this wording as it clarifying what should be done while creating a patch.\n\n> >>>\n> >>>\n> >>\n> >> Will reword to ...\n> >>\n> >> \"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"\n> >\n> > It is not addressing my first comment. Please see above.\n> >\n> \n> Thank you, I don't necessarily agree with the first comment :-) We need to say\n> when the alias should be dropped no?",
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        "id": 115395,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115395/",
        "msgid": "<3753229.KUAPmvbx1T@thomas>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T16:57:09",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
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            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/685/",
            "name": "Thomas Monjalon",
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        "content": "07/07/2020 18:37, Kinsella, Ray:\n> \n> On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> > 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n> >> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> >>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n> >>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n> >>>>\n> >>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n> >>>> ---\n> >>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n> >>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n> >>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n> >>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n> >>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n> >>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n> >>>\n> >>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n> >>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n> >>>\n> >>> [...]\n> >>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n> >>>\n> >>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n> >>\n> >> Will reword to ...\n> >>\n> >> \"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"\n> > \n> > It is not addressing my first comment. Please see above.\n> \n> Thank you, I don't necessarily agree with the first comment :-)\n\nYou don't have to agree. But in this case we must discuss :-)\n\n> We need to say when the alias should be dropped no?\n\nI don't think so.\nUntil now, it is let to the appreciation of the maintainer.\nIf we want to change the rule, especially for experimental period,\nit must be said clearly and debated.",
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    {
        "id": 115396,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115396/",
        "msgid": "<1615812.mBlSNTTGHt@thomas>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T17:00:41",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
            "id": 685,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/685/",
            "name": "Thomas Monjalon",
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        "content": "07/07/2020 18:55, Honnappa Nagarahalli:\n> > On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> > > 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n> > >> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> > >>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n> > >>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n> > >>>>\n> > >>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n> > >>>> ---\n> > >>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> > >>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> > >>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n> > >>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version\n> > table entry\n> > >>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal\n> > function ``be``.\n> > >>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the\n> > >>>> stable ABI, to\n> > >>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n> > >>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n> > >>>\n> > >>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n> > >>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n> \n> This is not limiting the period.\n> This is about how long VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL should be in place\n> for a symbol after the experimental tag is removed for the symbol.\n\nOh wait, I was wrong. It is only about the alias which is set\nAFTER the experimental period.\n\n> > >>> [...]\n> > >>>>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable\n> > >>>> for some time,  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the\n> > >>>> stable ABI. At this time, when -promoting the symbol, maintainer\n> > >>>> may choose to provide an alias to the -``experimental`` symbol version,\n> > so as not to break consuming applications.\n> > >>>> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an\n> > >>>> +alias to the ``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break\n> > >>>> +consuming applications. This\n> > >>>\n> > >>> Please start a sentence on a new line.\n> > >>\n> > >> ACK\n> > >>\n> > >>>\n> > >>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n> > >>>\n> > >>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n> \n> I prefer this wording as it clarifying what should be done while creating a patch.\n\nYes, after a second read, I am OK.",
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    {
        "id": 115397,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115397/",
        "msgid": "<b605b1ae-042d-bbed-1dd7-a5406942e924@ashroe.eu>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T17:01:17",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
            "id": 1310,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/1310/",
            "name": "Kinsella, Ray",
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        "content": "On 07/07/2020 17:57, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> 07/07/2020 18:37, Kinsella, Ray:\n>>\n>> On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n>>> 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n>>>> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n>>>>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n>>>>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n>>>>>> ---\n>>>>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>>>>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>>>>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n>>>>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n>>>>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n>>>>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n>>>>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n>>>>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n>>>>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> [...]\n>>>>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n>>>>\n>>>> Will reword to ...\n>>>>\n>>>> \"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"\n>>>\n>>> It is not addressing my first comment. Please see above.\n>>\n>> Thank you, I don't necessarily agree with the first comment :-)\n> \n> You don't have to agree. But in this case we must discuss :-)\n> \n>> We need to say when the alias should be dropped no?\n> \n> I don't think so.\n> Until now, it is let to the appreciation of the maintainer.\n> If we want to change the rule, especially for experimental period,\n> it must be said clearly and debated.\n\nIt doesn't make _any_ sense to maintain an alias after the new ABI.\n\nThe alias is there to maintain ABI compatibility, \nthere is no reason to maintain compatibility in the new ABI - so it should be dropped",
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            "Date": "Tue, 7 Jul 2020 18:01:17 +0100",
            "Cc": "dev@dpdk.org, fady@mellanox.com, Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com,\n Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>, John McNamara\n <john.mcnamara@intel.com>, Marko Kovacevic <marko.kovacevic@intel.com>,\n Harini Ramakrishnan <harini.ramakrishnan@microsoft.com>,\n Omar Cardona <ocardona@microsoft.com>,\n Pallavi Kadam <pallavi.kadam@intel.com>,\n Ranjit Menon <ranjit.menon@intel.com>, david.marchand@redhat.com,\n bruce.richardson@intel.com",
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            "Subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod"
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    {
        "id": 115398,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115398/",
        "msgid": "<726b8422-a2cc-8035-1b04-ecbd3b32fd7c@ashroe.eu>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T17:01:51",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
        "submitter": {
            "id": 1310,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/1310/",
            "name": "Kinsella, Ray",
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        "content": "On 07/07/2020 18:00, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> 07/07/2020 18:55, Honnappa Nagarahalli:\n>>> On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n>>>> 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n>>>>> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n>>>>>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n>>>>>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n>>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n>>>>>>> ---\n>>>>>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>>>>>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n>>>>>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n>>>>>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version\n>>> table entry\n>>>>>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal\n>>> function ``be``.\n>>>>>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the\n>>>>>>> stable ABI, to\n>>>>>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n>>>>>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n>>>>>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n>>\n>> This is not limiting the period.\n>> This is about how long VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL should be in place\n>> for a symbol after the experimental tag is removed for the symbol.\n> \n> Oh wait, I was wrong. It is only about the alias which is set\n> AFTER the experimental period.\n> \n>>>>>> [...]\n>>>>>>>  In situations in which an ``experimental`` symbol has been stable\n>>>>>>> for some time,  and it becomes a candidate for promotion to the\n>>>>>>> stable ABI. At this time, when -promoting the symbol, maintainer\n>>>>>>> may choose to provide an alias to the -``experimental`` symbol version,\n>>> so as not to break consuming applications.\n>>>>>>> +promoting the symbol, the maintainer may choose to provide an\n>>>>>>> +alias to the ``experimental`` symbol version, so as not to break\n>>>>>>> +consuming applications. This\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> Please start a sentence on a new line.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> ACK\n>>>>>\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n>>>>>>\n>>>>>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n>>\n>> I prefer this wording as it clarifying what should be done while creating a patch.\n> \n> Yes, after a second read, I am OK.\n> \nperfect, I will sort out the other bits.",
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    {
        "id": 115399,
        "web_url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/comment/115399/",
        "msgid": "<3268992.TtKfxP2iOo@thomas>",
        "date": "2020-07-07T17:08:22",
        "subject": "Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/2] doc: clarify alias to experimental\n\tperiod",
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            "id": 685,
            "url": "https://patches.dpdk.org/api/people/685/",
            "name": "Thomas Monjalon",
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        "content": "07/07/2020 19:01, Kinsella, Ray:\n> On 07/07/2020 17:57, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> > 07/07/2020 18:37, Kinsella, Ray:\n> >> On 07/07/2020 17:36, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> >>> 07/07/2020 18:35, Kinsella, Ray:\n> >>>> On 07/07/2020 16:26, Thomas Monjalon wrote:\n> >>>>> 07/07/2020 16:45, Ray Kinsella:\n> >>>>>> Clarify retention period for aliases to experimental.\n> >>>>>>\n> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>\n> >>>>>> ---\n> >>>>>> --- a/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >>>>>> +++ b/doc/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.rst\n> >>>>>> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ The macros exported are:\n> >>>>>>  * ``VERSION_SYMBOL_EXPERIMENTAL(b, e)``: Creates a symbol version table entry\n> >>>>>>    binding versioned symbol ``b@EXPERIMENTAL`` to the internal function ``be``.\n> >>>>>>    The macro is used when a symbol matures to become part of the stable ABI, to\n> >>>>>> -  provide an alias to experimental for some time.\n> >>>>>> +  provide an alias to experimental until the next major ABI version.\n> >>>>>\n> >>>>> Why limiting the period for experimental status?\n> >>>>> Some API want to remain experimental longer.\n> >>>>>\n> >>>>> [...]\n> >>>>>> +alias will then typically be dropped in the next major ABI version.\n> >>>>>\n> >>>>> I don't see the need for the time estimation.\n> >>>>\n> >>>> Will reword to ...\n> >>>>\n> >>>> \"This alias will then be dropped in the next major ABI version.\"\n> >>>\n> >>> It is not addressing my first comment. Please see above.\n> >>\n> >> Thank you, I don't necessarily agree with the first comment :-)\n> > \n> > You don't have to agree. But in this case we must discuss :-)\n> > \n> >> We need to say when the alias should be dropped no?\n> > \n> > I don't think so.\n> > Until now, it is let to the appreciation of the maintainer.\n> > If we want to change the rule, especially for experimental period,\n> > it must be said clearly and debated.\n> \n> It doesn't make _any_ sense to maintain an alias after the new ABI.\n> \n> The alias is there to maintain ABI compatibility, \n> there is no reason to maintain compatibility in the new ABI - so it should be dropped\n\nYes I was wrong, sorry.",
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